Peptides, Testosterone & Red Light Therapy—Do They Actually Work? | Dr. Trent Nessler

Dr. Trent Nessler joins Jeff Allen to break down the truth about peptides, testosterone therapy, and red light therapy—and what actually works when it comes to recovery, performance, and long-term health.
If you’re thinking about biohacking your body, starting fitness, or fixing chronic pain, this conversation covers what matters most before you spend money on trends.
👇 In this episode:
Do peptides actually help recovery?
The truth about testosterone therapy (TRT)
Red light therapy—real benefits or hype?
Why most people skip the fundamentals
How to start training the right way
Building strength, control, and long-term durability

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I have a retired special forces individual who was shot locally, um, got shot in the pelvis, went across his pelvis, and cut across his spinal cord. So he suffered a uh essentially it was called caudaquinis syndrome or a spinal cord injury. And the first day he came in the clinic, you know, he had seen his neurologist, he'd been through the BA, he'd been through multiple physicians, and they're like, you know, this is your new norm. And he's walking in, he can barely walk at all. And uh through the course of one year, he was shot in February of last year. Last week he was running a 720 mile.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Who gave me a podcast? This is Jeff Allen. Welcome to my podcast. Hey everybody, this is Jeff Allen. Welcome to Who Gave Jeff Allen a podcast? We will find you. We are looking. There's six billion of you out there, and we will find you. Uh today's sponsor, as it always is every week, Nordic Wave, a cold plunge. Uh, it's a big Yeti cup. You just put it on your deck in your basement, fill it with cold water, sit in it, and it will transform your life. Embrace your inner Viking. That's right. Be a Norseman. Cold pl we'll talk about it today with today's guests. Uh and uh, like I said last week, if you got a lust issue, it's a great thing to cool the jets. So that's true. That's true, isn't it? Anyway, today's guest, I've been looking forward to this, Dr. Trent Nessler. Uh uh, you know, people ask me all the time on the road, what is your podcast about? Um I I never wanted to get niche into any one particular area because uh I like a variety of things. Like like you, you like uh watching different things, and uh I like a variety of things. But the health and wellness area is something I'm leaning towards because of uh my age. And um I've uh I I my parents, uh when they were my age now, 70, my father uh could barely uh barely walk. He had to give up the game that he loved, golf, because physically he couldn't do what he wouldn't. And and that is not the way life should be. Um God did not intend us to wither up and die at 60 years old and uh just sit and wait for the Grim Reaper to come and grab us. So um uh I'm leaning into that area a lot more and more. I'm learning more and more as uh in my own journey. So um I would love to help you guys uh navigate through the noise because if you're like me, you go on the YouTube on the in the internet, and there's a lot of noise out there. Um I have a uh a doctor in town here. He's not he's a nurse practitioner, but he was uh with the special forces. Um we're gonna have him on the podcast uh coming soon. Um but uh I go he's my kind of go-to guy to sort through some of the noise here. Today we'll sort through a lot of it with Dr. Trent Nessler. Um and um uh is a doctor of physical therapy and one of the country's leading voices in injury prevention, movement science, and performance longevity for over two decades. That's 20 years for you, Gen Zers, if one of you happened upon this old man's podcast. Uh you didn't tell us we're gonna have to do math. He's he's worked with everyone from elite athletes to everyday people trying to stay active, pain-free, and strong as they age. I'd love to talk to you about the pain-free thing because my son recently asked me, You look like you're hurting. I go, if I wasn't hurting, I'd think God called me home. So uh the pain-free heart, but the cold plunge has helped tremendously with that. He's the founder of one of the nation's largest movement assessment programs, which is what?

SPEAKER_01 3:59

It's called the VMove Plus AMI Athletic Movement Index. Okay. It's a wearable sensor technology.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Oh, wearable. Oh, I like that. Uh and we'll talk about that. Um, I haven't even introduced you yet. Yeah. So for those of you who are wondering who that was, I will tell you in a second. We're off to a good start on this one. Fantastic. We've we've we've kept the ADD people, they're with me, but the but the same people who are focused are gone. They have gone onto another channel. Uh, what makes this perspective valuable is he's not just focused on performance, he's focused on sustainability, which is important. Yeah. Um, especially for people over 40 and 50. And that's the issue I want to talk about because I've I've had this discussion with my wife who's coming up on 65. Um anyway, who don't want to just live longer but want to feel good doing it, absolutely. Uh lately, Dr. Nessler has been at the center of conversations around hormone optimization. I just had, I will talk about that. Peptides, love to talk to you about that. I have no idea what they are, but I I drink them. Uh recovery tools like red light therapy, cold exposure, uh, what actually cold exposure. I like the cold plunge. I don't I don't want to live in the cold weather. I that's why I I live here. What actually works versus what's hype, especially for people who feel like their body isn't responding the way it used to. So whether you're someone who hasn't worked out in years or someone who's done everything right and still feel like you're slowing down, the conversation. This conversation is for you. Dr. Trent Nessler, I'm glad you're here. Thank you so much for having me. Well, you know, you'll you'll say that now. Uh but uh will you say that in an hour? Absolutely. Absolutely. This is the kind of thing. Where do you begin? Where do we begin? Uh your journey. Um, you you didn't look like that when you came out of the womb.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

No.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

So um so I uh I I've always been into fitness uh my whole life. Um really started working out around the age of 10. Um I'm 57 today and uh still weight train every single day. Uh train Brazilian jujitsu. I'm actually a black belt in Brazilian jujitsu. Uh, I've been training that for about 15 years. Um and as a physical therapist, you know, early on in my career, I started my career in 1997. And so as an early physical therapist, even back in those days, I was already talking to patients about nutrition and the importance of nutrition. Um, I had received a minor in biochemistry, so I got a really intimate understanding of how the chemistry of your body affects all of your body's ability to repair. And, you know, back in those days, it was kind of like voodoo science, so to speak. You know, there was not a lot of correlation to, you know, what you're putting in your body and how your body's actually healing. Fast forward to today, I think there is no other time in our history where considering this stuff, especially from a regenerative maintaining your fitness uh into your fifth and sixth and seventh decade, there is there's no other time in our lifetime where it's been more important. Um, just simply because of so many of the chemical changes that have occurred with the American food system and what that's done to the human body and um how when you have an injury, your body really needs certain things to help supplement it, to help it heal in that process. And with the technologies that we have available today and and some of the uh um nutritional supplements, you know, things like peptides and stem cells um that we have available today. Matter of fact, as of I believe it was yesterday, stem cells was actually legalized in the state of Tennessee, which is absolutely amazing.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Well, it's funny because my manager um ripped his ankle up uh gotta be 10 years ago, and he had stem cells. His Cairo um recommended it heal his ankle right up. Yeah. I mean, I've and he had tried everything else, you know.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

You know, I will tell you, you know, uh again, I've I I've been in this profession for 28 years. And um what what got me started, just to give you a little bit of a history of like what got me to this point. Um I was 10 years old. My father, uh, we were on a family vacation. Um my father was involved in uh um an accident um and he broke his neck uh while we were on family vacation in a third world country in 1979. So it's bad enough to be a third world country, but a third world country in 1979. California? Uh it was close. It was Trinidad. That's a joke. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

That's a joke. If you're from California, I was serious.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

Yeah, but it's uh uh but uh what he was able to do, uh this was 1979, he broke his neck, uh he was a C567 spinal cord injury. And when I got out of PT school, uh it was about 25 years, he'd been in a wheelchair. And we put him on a diet, we put him on an exercise program, um, and we did all of these other alternative medicines. Um, and he went from a wheelchair for 25 years to up and walking with lobster and crutches.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Holy cow.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

And and, you know, at that time, this was again, this is back in the late 90s, early 2000s, you know, he got a lot of there was a lot of publicity around it and things like that. We actually wrote up a couple of papers on it. But what it taught me is what the capability of the human body is when you provide it the right tools to progress along the path. Um, and I'll I'll I'll bring that forward to today. Um, I deal with a lot of athletes. Um, my my clinic is called the Athlete Lab, so we deal primarily with athletes, really anybody who is trying to maintain their physicality and do the things that they want to do. Um, I also tend to get a lot of special forces guys. And I have a uh retired special forces individual who was shot locally, um, got shot in the pelvis, went across his pelvis, and cut across his spinal cord. So he suffered a uh essentially what's called caudaquinis syndrome or a spinal cord injury. And the first day he came in the clinic, you know, he had seen his neurologist, he'd been through the VA, he'd been through multiple physicians, and they're like, you know, this is your new norm. And he's walking in, he can barely walk at all. And uh through the course of one year, he was shot in February of last year. Last week he was running a 720 mile. 720.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Holy cow.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

But we did absolutely everything with him. We did stem cells with him, we did peptides with him, we did cold plunge with him, we did red light therapy with him, we did what is called BFR blood flow restriction training with him. Um, blood flow restriction training is the use of a cuff on your limb while you exercise. And when you do that, what ends up happening is you create this um oxygen-deprived state in the muscle. So, what ends up happening is that when you do that, you have this oxygen-deprived state in the muscle, the muscle is recruited more. So you get more of your quad recruiting. It's really good. We use it a lot for like ACL reconstruction, things like that. People who are having a hard time recruiting their quad because you can you can get good quad recruitment at very low loads. So you don't stress the injury, you don't stress the uh surgical site, but yet you create a physiological response as if they're heavy doing heavy resistance training. But the real key of what, in my opinion, what BFR does is what it does to you systemically. So one of the things that blood flow restriction training does is that when you do it for a long enough period of time, is you cause your body to release large amounts of growth hormone and IgF1. IGF one is really important for bone healing. So those who have osteoporosis, osteopenia, super important for those. Um, but also the growth hormone. So if you're feeling, you know, that you're getting weaker, if you feel like you're getting uh you're losing muscle mass as you mature, BFR is an amazing way to help to uh accelerate that, to accelerate the muscle growth.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

But the coolest part of the thing is that you're gonna because of the DY uh DIY society we live in. Don't take a belt and tie off your quad. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Thank you for saying that because this image of people go, yeah, why should I spend money on that? I'll tie off my exactly. There's a difference between a tourniquet and blood flow restriction training. You know, uh typically we're going around anywhere from 40 to 60 percent limb occlusion, so versus a tourniquet, which is a hundred percent. Um and and more is not always better. Um but the the real key So there's a science behind it. There's a m a lot of science behind it. And and it was really uh it really started back in the 60s. Um, you know, you and I are close in age, and and one of the things uh if you remember back in the old days in the muscle and fitness magazine, Arnold Schwarzenegger wrapping things around his biceps and doing bicep curls. That was the earliest version of BFR. It actually started back in the 60s with European bodybuilders. So Franco Columbo, Arnold Schwarzenegger, like all of those big names back in those days, were using early forms of BFR. We didn't really, the medical community really did not get an awareness of it uh until a physical therapist at the Center for the Intrepid was dealing with a lot of these Iraq war injuries. And he was trying to get people back to theater quicker. And one of the things that he found is that by applying these principles of blood flow restriction training, what he was able to do is get people back stronger, faster, and back to the theater uh in a in a safer fashion, in a much more expedited fashion. So that was really kind of in the the like 2015, 2010, 2015 era. So it's still fairly new knowledge. Um, but as we use it more, we research it more, we see what the systemic effects of BFR are, you can leverage other technologies like your red light therapy, like your cold plunge. You can leverage things like peptides and things like that that helps to accelerate or accentuate the the recovery piece of it.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Okay. Peptides. I know that's an end of uh let me back up. Yeah. Um just in my own journey because I might as well while I have you here um for free. For sure. Um get some information. Um the NAD. Yeah, NAD plus drips. Yep. Are they a fad?

SPEAKER_01 14:47

So so uh first of all, you have to look at what NAD plus is. And for every molecule of NAD plus you get five ATP. ATP is the energy that the cell runs off of. So part of the reason that it gives you energy after you get it is because you're you're essentially superdosing your body with energy or what your cells use as an energy source. So is it valid? Absolutely. Um and and when you combine it with other things in the equation, so like BFR, when people are doing BFR training, one of the supplements that I recommend is also supplementing NAD plus.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Now, NAD plus can you get it in a pill form or does it have to be in a drip? Because I I do the drip.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

You can get it in a pill form. I actually take it in a pill form. Um the drips are more intense. Um as you know, they're more time consuming because if you go in and you try to do a 60-minute drip in 30 minutes, you're you're gonna not be feeling too well.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

No, well then I see it, they do give you some I think it's vitamin B after that, and it makes you it wakes you right. Yeah, but yeah, that I I got I the first one I did took an hour and a half. Yep. Second one was an hour and fifteen, and I did an hour. Yeah. Um and the hour was max. That's it. I'm not going any uh any lower than that. I mean, it was literally like I got punched multiple times. Um and as a 70-year-old, you sit there and go, if if this turns out to be a fad, and I'm doing this to Well, you know, here's the thing that I I And it's not cheap.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

Yeah, no, it's not, it's very expensive. Yeah. Um, you know, you're lucky if you don't spend$250 or more per drip, you know. So um the the thing is though, is that if you're doing that in isolation, is it worth it? Uh I'm not really sure. Because if the rest of your day uh means that you're consuming, you know, traditional American diet, it's probably not going to do that much for you. But if you do that as an adjunct to everything else that you're doing, absolutely. When you start talking about things like cold plunge, red light therapy, so you know, for example, when you're doing NAD plus and you do red light therapy, so what does red light therapy do? Red light therapy stimulates down in your cell, inside of your cell, it's called the mitochondria. The mitochondria is the powerhouse for the cell. So when you're stimulating the cell, you're basically getting the mitochondria to turn over protein synthesis faster. All that simply means is the cell regenerates faster. When a cell regenerates faster, what that means is that the injury, the soft tissue, regenerates faster. So when you're throwing things like NAD plus into the equation, which provides the cell energy to do the work, and you do the red light therapy in conjunction with that, it's a win-win.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

You know, so I think where most people um lose, they don't they don't get the full benefit is because they don't do all the things in sequence. All the other things that could help, you know, uh result in that NAD plus having the maximal effect that you possibly can.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

Okay, yeah, because I'm down to doing it once a month now. Yeah. I did the four to load, and then for the last two months I've done I've done the drip. And then um my testosterone was at z almost zero. I mean, it was I I just realized I'm walking around like a zombie. You know, told my wife, I said, I I don't want to do anything. I mean, and for the first time in years, I mean, I missed almost two weeks of not hitting the gym. And um I finally go, I wonder, you know, it's been a while.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

So I I got my blood test, and she said to me, I've been going to the same lady for 15 years. She said, You've never been this low.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Well, you know, and and and and to me, that is um in when when looking at testosterone um and the way that the medical industry looks at testosterone, um, I just read a re uh interesting study not too long ago. Back in the 80s, a 60-year-old male who was 500 was considered low. Right. Today, it's 300. So what you've seen happen is is testosterone's kind of plotted on a bell curve. And if you go, you know, you got your bell curve and in the middle is where everybody should be. Your one standard deviation below that, 300, then what ends up happening is that's when you're low and you're considered for testosterone supplementation. The problem is that that curve has shifted low. And a biggest part of that is what we eat. So the the foods that we eat today are actually causing suppression of testosterone in men, and the what you're seeing is a whole generation coming up that are much lower T than we were when we were kids because our food was more pure.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Yeah, my doctor told me that back in the 50s, the average male at 50 years old, 1950s, a 50-year-old male had a testosterone level of between 1800 and 2200. And she said now it's like six to eight hundred. And I was at 375.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

Uh which explained everything. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like uh it really did. I mean, and that was a week ago, so I'm starting to get, you know, I hit the gym the last two days. I'm starting to feel energized again. Um and my brain fog is leaving, which is which is great.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Uh at 70, I I'm worried. You know, my grandmother had dementia. And um I do understand that they're they're calling dementia diabetes three in Europe.

SPEAKER_03 20:34

Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Um explain a little bit about that. Um what what sugar has an effect on um a long-term effect. Um is it it's not the sole cause, but yeah, it certainly has gone through the roof. It has. I mean early onset. It's very early. Early onset. I'm I've we have somebody in our small group, she's not even fifty, I think she's fifty-seven. Yeah. And she's been diagnosed with early onset.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

Yeah. Um, and and I tell you, you know, uh in in sugar is in everything. Yes. You know, it it sh catch up. I mean, it's it's it's pretty much in everything. Uh and um over time, it is um your body's not meant to have that level of sugar. Um when it comes to understanding all of the connections to dementia and things like that. I'm probably not the person to get into a lot of detail with that, with that. That being said, um what I've seen is the inflammatory responses from sugar and other substances. Um, you know, we have a lot more foods in our system today that are inflammation in nature, causing a lot of gut issues, causing gut inflammation. Um, and what I see from the from the PT side of things is that when you've got a total knee replacement, for example, that's common in this population. Um, when you have a total knee replacement, Knee replacement that the swelling that person has after a total knee replacement, if their diet is junk and they're having gut issues, their swelling not only is it bigger, not only does their knee swell more, but it lasts a lot longer. And that has a huge downstream effect on your body's ability to recruit muscle as well as heal. You know, when you've got that much inflammation, healing that is is is more difficult. So anything that, you know, part of the reason that, you know, when I see clients, um I'm making not only nutritional recommendations, but I'm also making recommendations around peptides. I'm making recommendations around all these other things. Let's get into the peptides. First of all, what are they? Yeah, they're short chain amino acids. You know, that's the, you know, the the probably one of the biggest misconceptions I see around peptides is that people think it's an anabolic steroid because you're injecting it. And what people need to understand You inject them? You do. Oh, I've been taking a powder, collagen peptide. So call collagen peptide is good. From Sean Ryan. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

His show. I watched his show and he advertised bubs.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Yeah. So the collagen peptide is good taken orally. Um the peptides I use are like BPC157, TB500. That's the main man, that sounds really cool. It well, it's got you know, you you'll even like the what what what everybody calls it is the Wolverine Pack. Oh, yeah, because it's it it uh uh I was first introduced to peptides because I deal with a lot of fighters. Um, and it's very popular in the fight medicine because what you see is that fighters are going back faster um and recovered to a higher rate.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

And so So it also helps recover from weightlifting?

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Weightlifting. Uh there's there's another uh cycle that I that I will do with people as they move out of the injury state and they're looking to build more that does a lot with cell regeneration and muscle growth. Um that's often referred to as the anti-aging stack. So there's there's different stacks depending on what you're trying to accomplish. For me in my setting, I'm always trying to accomplish one of two things. Number one, recovery from an injury or moving them to the next step and really pushing performance enhancement. Um, and what I what I will tell you is that the the misconception about peptides is that it's an anabolic steroid. And the difference between peptides and anabolic steroid is your body goes from uh through a chemical reaction to create testosterone. And it goes from A chemical A plus chemical B to equal to testosterone. And what anabolic steroids do is they bypass that chemical reaction and provide you the end product. So what ends up happening is that your body senses that and it starts to shut down these chemical reactions because you're artificially supplying it. What peptides do is they actually give the building blocks so that A can go plus B to testosterone. So you're you're supplementing. Correct. You're supplementing the chemical reaction to get you to your end product. That's the biggest difference between, in my opinion, between uh peptides and anabolics because you don't mess up the body's ability to naturally uh create the hormone. And uh what what what I see is a significant improvement in outcomes. You know, I'll just give you a perfect example. One of the one of the main injuries I see uh in my practice is ACL injuries, interior crochet ligament injuries. Just watch any NFL season, you'll have multiple of them. Um and that's typically nine to 12 months to get back to sport. And I've had I've had uh ACL, PCL, LCL that's gotten back to uh professional fighting at seven months. I've had total knee dislocations, which is your ACL, PCL, LCL, MCL, and your hamstring ruptured. And he was back on the mats in one year. It's unheard of. And in in my in my experience in 28 years of practice, I've never seen the level of outcomes that we're able to have today when you consider all of the different uh chemical aspects of it, the biochemistry of healing combined with technology, combined with the right therapeutic uh.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

And these are all young um bodies as well, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:31

No, uh not not all of them. So because I'm I'm 57 um and I'm a black belt, um, I get a lot of guys who are training jujitsu in their 40s and 50s who are like, how do I keep going? Because it's it's rough on your body. I mean, it is a very rough sport, to say the least. Not encouraging anybody over 50 to try try to start training.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

You know, I like banging my head against the wall. Exactly. Exactly. You know, how do I how do I keep doing that without hurting myself?

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Pretty much, you know, so so uh a large part of the population I deal with are those really in their mid 40s to you know mid to late 50s, you know, and trying to help them maintain their physicality, um, their power, their strength, their endurance, um, as they're you know, competing at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Yeah, because I can just vouch a knowing my 50 was where everything just started falling apart.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

We were talking off air, and uh, I was trying to take a golf lesson. I was taking a golf lesson one day, and the guy goes, What are you trying to do? And I told him, he goes, You physically cannot do what you're trying to do. Hey, what do you mean? He goes, You can't. You're you're not flexible enough, you're not strong enough, your core isn't, you know. Yeah, he went down the whole line. Yeah. He said, You know, you a lot of this is glutes. He goes, Yep. When's the last time you did a squat? I go, What? I don't know. What's a squat? Yeah, what's a squat? You know, and uh I started maybe at 55. Yeah, really, um, just figured I might and you know, I was always a runner, yeah. Um, which is why I've had both hips replaced. But I was always a runner. Um, and uh I felt that with with the alcohol and the drugs I was doing in my uh in my youth, if I sweat, I was at least getting rid of the poison. That's I you know naively thought if I could continue to do what I was doing as long as I if I ran eight miles, I would then I could just kill myself at night and then run eight miles the next day, you know.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

And be feeling good.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Yeah, it it you know in your twenties and thirties that works that works, you know. But then all of a sudden, you know, you're you're six miles, four miles, three miles, two, and I God it hurts. You know um and um again, I was into uh I remember uh colon cleanses were big back in my 30s. I remember um me and a couple of other comics were were at the GNC buying uh, you know, stuff, which is interesting because now I just got cleared for life from colonoscopies. So whatever I did in my 30s, uh cleansing my body out, you know, um uh it must have done something.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

And um my shoulder tore. I just went through uh a year and a half ago, and I've have not really gotten back to where I was um uh in the gym because of that frightens me.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

I've had both hips replaced. The second one the physical therapist told me. I mean, I I I leading up to my surgery, I was doing 500 body squats a week. And when I got into PT, he goes, You're so far ahead of our protocol. We and we're not allowed to move ahead.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

So there's nothing I can do for you, really. Just you know, so I was hitting golf balls like in four days. I mean, it was amazing. Yeah. Uh the second hip. The first hip, they cut into the muscle, and it took weeks, months to get that.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

It's been a lot of progression of the the types of surgeries that they do too.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

So a lot less trauma.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

Yeah, but the shoulder is a completely different animal. I mean, it it scares me to rip those again. So I'm doing I hired a trainer online, um he's a golf fitness guy, but I told him, I said, I just want stability in my shoulders. So it's a lot of bandwidth, you know. And it's funny, I go to the gym now, I see guys doing it. All the bands, I go, shoulder shirt, yeah, labrum, you know. Uh speak on uh coming back from injuries and um obviously if you're going to a physical therapist, they're gonna walk you through the right areas. Uh people like me who get you know got away from you know, obviously you you run your 30 days or whatever they give you, you know, and then you're you're on your own. Uh traditionally for me, because I'm a I'm an addict and I'm an idiot, I always pushed everything too hard. I've always thought, well, if I was to do that PFR whatever. Oh yeah, I would well let's let's go tourniquet. You know, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

As long as my limb is turning blue, I'm doing good.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

Yeah, if 70% is great, I used to do the joke, I take five a leave. You know, uh, you know, who takes two? You know, sure my stomach burns, but my knees don't hurt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Well, and it's funny because uh the particular BFR cuff uh that I use, um, I actually was on the medical board for as we were developing it. And one of the things that was important to me is that I have a cuff that does not fully occlude for that exact reason, because most of the people that I deal with choke each other, punch each other. So they're gonna be in the exact same situation. They're gonna be, you know, if if 60% is good, if my limb is turning blue, it's even better. And that's not the case because you can you can actually create a lot of damage to the city. Well, that's like the cold plunge, you know.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Initially, you know, I set it at 50 and then I got down to 45. And I see the progression. So I started researching does is cold or necessarily better. And then they talked about, yeah, hypothermia will enter at you know, at 10 minutes. You get to 10 or 12. I noticed you said you do 10-minute cold plunges. I I can keep it at six. Yeah, six, eight at 50 degrees. Uh I went back up to 50 figuring, well, am I do you get better? I mean, if if I can get to 38.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

Yeah, you know, it really depends on what you're looking for. You know, um inflammation reduction. Yeah, there's there's a lot of uh research out there about, you know, um doing cold plunges after you work out, you know, and what that does to your gains that you get during working out. I think I shared with you, you know, um, for me, after a hard jujitsu training session, you know, sometimes I feel like somebody just took a bat to my body. And um my cold plunge sits at 39 degrees. Um, it does circulate. And uh typically I'm trying to get people in there for about six to eight minutes. And the reason that I'm doing that is twofold. Number one is a vagal nerve reset. The vagal nerve, it's the longest, yeah, it's the longest nerve in your body. It goes from your brain down to your feet, has connections to your heart, has connections to your lungs or to your um uh kidneys and your liver. So it has a direct effect on uh connecting your brain to your heart rate, to hormone release and things like that. So when it's overstimulated, that's uh a response to stress. Now, whether that's physical stress from an injury or that's emotional stress from work or trauma or whatever, a lot of people come in with that nerve overstimulated. So part of my goal when I do a cold plunge with somebody is to really walk them through the breathing process so that they can control their body. So it at that at that temperature, it's hard to control shivering. And the techniques that we teach people to do when they get into the cold plunge really helps them to control that shivering. And then the second piece of that is by taking them in there to that six to eight minute time frame, what we're doing is we're getting a release of what's called a P3 protein. Now, P3 protein is typically only released when your body thinks it's gonna die. You're not gonna die in there, but we're stimulating the body to think the first 30 seconds you feel like it. Well, the first three minutes you may feel like it. But the idea is to get the body to release that because then what we're gonna do is we're gonna put you on the bike and we're gonna flood your body as well by using VFR with growth hormone and IgF1. So there's a lot of times that I'm using these things to create a certain chemical response so that I can enhance that with the next chemical response, and then enhance that with the next technology I'm gonna use. So, for example, I have somebody do a cold plunge, we put them on the bike, we warm them back up, we flood their body with growth hormone, IG of one with the BFR, and then I take and I use class four laser on them. So class four laser is really effective at helping soft tissue healing. It's a form of red light, so it works the same at the mitochondrial level, but it's much more intense. So, this, I could not sit a class four laser on your shoulder and laser it and not move it because it would burn. So you have to keep it moving as you go. But the idea is that we're we're creating this chemical uh uh environment to optimize that when I stimulate your cell to regenerate at a faster pace, it's in this chemical environment that is enhanced for that to occur. And that's really where peptides and stem cells and all of that really kind of fit into the equation. Because what I found in healthcare is you have your stem cell silo, you have your peptide silo, you have your PT silo, you have your nutrition silo, and none of these ever communicate together. And one of the things that I have found is where they're true, the the best, exponentially greater outcomes come from is that when you bring all of these things together and uh use a mindset of how am I doing how am I using this cold plunge to enhance the next thing I'm gonna do, and how do I use that to enhance the next thing I'm gonna do? Because that to me, that's where the real gold nuggets at.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Well, it's interesting because the first time I did the combination, um I remember driving to back to the hotel. I was on the road. I had heard about when I was in Montana, we would go into the the the natural baths and then I would do the cold, you know, and um found that fascinating. Um just to come out of a hundred and three degree mineral bath and then sit in uh 45 degree uh water. And uh when I told my wife I was gonna get one when I got home, I was gonna buy a coal plunge. And she said, why? And I go, you know, that's a great question. I don't know. So I did a little research. They talked about the brown fat. Yep. Um uh and but I I did read about you want to sit up here, you know. So I I wanted to make sure that my Nordic Wave, uh Jeff 150, save 150 bucks. Uh Nordic Wave uh was deep enough to to cover uh to cover that. And again, it's a it's uh there's a uh a chiller machine that that rotates the water, and and I can set it I think 38 is as low as it goes, and go up to 100 whatever if I wanted to, you know. My wife goes, Yeah, well, you get it up to about 95. She goes, I'll sit in it. My favorite thing she does, she'll walk by and she'll take the water and splash her wrist and go, I feel it, I feel it's better already. That's it. Yeah, it's so funny though, but uh it is, it's either you love it or hate it. I mean, it's not something you would uh normally want to do. No. So there has to be a a long-term benefit. Um again, driving back to the hotel that day after doing the combination. Yeah, I called my wife and said, a man my age shouldn't feel this good. Yeah. I felt amazing. Yeah. And when I'm home, and I have I have both now. I have the infrared, I have the red light, and I have the um uh cold plunge on on my deck. Um infrared. Now I've been reading this again. This is stuff that you don't know if it's a fat, it's the noise on the internet.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

It your toxins, sure, it releases them, but they get stuck in your liver, so you need some kind of supplement to clinch. Now I do the glutathione at the drip. I get the glutathione drips, which is supposed to help cleanse the liver. Um, is there something to that when you do infrared that it's not necessarily detoxifying?

SPEAKER_01 38:41

You know, I I I um one of the biggest mistakes when it comes to red light, not necessarily related to toxins, is um how it's put into the equation. I'm talking about infrared. Yeah. Yeah. That's the same thing? Yeah. So infrared, red light therapy, it's all the same. Class four laser is a version of red light that's much more intense. So, like the particular bed that I have, it looks like a suntanning bed. Um, it has four different wavelengths to it. So it goes from skin all the way down to deep tissue. Um, most places you go, they put you on a table and put a panel over the top of you. It would take you about 30 visits of a panel to equate to one of these beds. And um, what I see is there's a lot of recovery places out there where people will do red light, uh red light panel, and then they go into the cold plunge. The problem with that is is that what you're doing with the red light therapy is you're stimulating the cells to be more active. And you're stimulating them to be more active and to regenerate at a faster pace. And as soon as you jump into a cold plunge, you shut that off. Okay. So typically what I do is I have people go cold plunge, then red light.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Well, see, that's what I do at home. Well, I actually go cold plunge shower and then red light. Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of like that.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

And that's yeah, and that's perfect. Because, you know, in in that sequence, that's the right button.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

And we have a half a panel. We have a of red light. It's a it's a good one. I mean, I think it is. It's platinum LED.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Yeah, those are great. And you know, I'll tell you, you know, where I see the the biggest mistakes is, you know, because there's there's contrast, which you were talking about earlier, going from heat to cold. That's great. Um, it helps with circulation. There's a lot of things that that helps with. And we've been using that um quite honestly in physical therapy ever since I've been a physical therapist, um, where we would take athletes and you would do contrast with them and it makes them feel better because it helps circulation, helps inflammation, all that good stuff. But when it comes to red light specifically, red light therapy and cold plunge, the seat, the sequence at which you do it matters. It's always got to be the cold plunge first because red light therapy, this is what I always tell my patients, you're gonna get a benefit for this from the for the next 12 hours. It's gonna peak at 12 hours. So I tell them, you know, especially if I'm seeing them after an injury, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

How long is that? I do about 15 minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

15 minutes is good. Okay. Um, you know, it um in and I even do I even do 20 minute sessions with a vagal nerve reset. So we actually have So that's the cold plunge. No, it's uh it's different. Uh we take two electrodes, we stick them up to the cervical spine, we put two electrodes on their feet, um, and we run a certain current through their body. So it's a stimulation. Yeah, but it's it's not bad. It doesn't feel it doesn't feel hurtful. It's comfortable. Um, and then we put them in a red light therapy bed for 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Nice image of Frankenstein with the with the nut with the bolts sticking out connecting a couple wires. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

You know. So we we we do the uh more bolts. Yeah, exactly. More volts. We do it just below uh muscular contraction, so you can feel it, but it's not actually causing you to contract. We do the red light therapy bed for 20 minutes, um, and then what we do is we pump uh spa music in there. So it's very relaxing. Um, and that has been absolutely amazing. I've I've had a couple of athletes who had vagal nerve uh overstimulation. It looks almost like a concussion. You know, there's there's uh you know, vase, their uh pupils are dilated, they are having a hard time responding, hard time with memory. It very much presents like a concussion. Um and I've had athletes that do as little as two sessions, 20 minutes each bout, and it makes a significant change. Pupils return to normal, they're able to answer questions, they actually are able to sleep again. You know, one of the beauties of red light therapy that I didn't know at the time when I first started doing this is the impact on sleep. Um, we have all of our athletes, I'm a data geek. Um, we have all of our athletes track their data through Whoop. Um, and what we have seen on the average is about a 24-minute increase in REM sleep uh with consistent use of red light therapy. Yeah, because that's where you heal. Yeah. It's where you heal. So it's you know, the these technologies that are out there um and all the different things that we have available to us today are, in my opinion, game changing. Because had I had this available when I was fifty, I think I'd be a much better place than I am today.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

But it's never too late, you know, because you can that's what I wanted to talk to you about because uh to speak to the person who's who's where I was when I was fifty-five. I mean, I really I was depressed. Um, I was always an athlete um and active. And now I'm at a point where I don't want to do anything. I I don't want to run anymore, I don't wanna I don't wanna have sex anymore, I don't wanna do anything anymore. Um and what changed for me was I I started doing uh I think it was Beach Body. Yeah. I I saw the ad for P ninety X. I said All right, well, I'll give it a shot. I mean, it was brutal.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

You know, I was doing quarter tapes, I was doing, you know, but I started.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

That's what I did right.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

I started. I started moving and not necessarily properly, but I started moving. And that led into other things.

SPEAKER_03 44:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Um, so there's somebody listening to this, man. It's just right there. They don't want to get off the couch. They're they got a bag of Doritos in their lap right now.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Um the the biggest thing is do something. You know, um Walking is huge, isn't it? Walking is huge. Um something as simple as making sure you're hydrated enough. Um, because as we mature, that's my nice way of saying getting older. As we as we mature. As we season. Yeah, as we season, uh it as we as we mature, we see a big change in hydration. It's one of the reasons that people will will say they lose height because the discs between your vertebrae are losing hydration and they're starting to collapse. You know, it's why women lose, uh, they say that their feet grow. Their feet don't grow, their arch collapses. Why is it collapse? Because the tissue of the plantar fascia is becoming dehydrated and it's stretching out, it's allowing their arch to collapse. Wow. So so hydration is super important. It is, it has a direct effect on your mobility and your flexibility. It has direct effect on collagen of your hip joint, has direct effect on the uh flexibility of the fascia in your body, something that we don't normally talk about, but fascia. Fascia is one of the first structures to dry out. And if you've ever put peeled a steak away from a bone, you see that white fibrous tissue, that's fascia. You have that through all out through your body, and it's a lot thicker than you might think that it is.

SPEAKER_02 45:51

Now, the formula I heard was an ounce uh for every uh every two pounds of body weight. So if you're 200 pounds, 100 ounces a day, that's minimal.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Yeah. Yeah. And for me, I'm drinking about a gallon and a half a day. Um, I'm about 205-ish. Um, that being said, it also depends on your activity level.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

Um also there's a lot of other factors that feed into it. So, you know, what I always tell people is the very best litmus test that you can have for your hydration is what does it look like when you pee? The color and the odor of your urine in the absence of asparagus, in the absence of vitamin packs, it should be odorless and colorless. It should be relatively odorless. You can Google urine chart, and on the urine chart, if you're three or above, you're doing good. But at four and below, you already start having an effect on the rate at which chemical reactions occur in your body. And the reason that that's important is because if you're affecting the rate at which chemical reactions occur, that means that when you go and you work out and you tear down muscle, it's not going to recover as fast. It means when you fall, that bruise is not going to heal as fast because you're not preparing your body chemically and optimizing it so that it can repair itself.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Wow. Yeah, and uh the the interesting thing is that you know, obviously at my age, you know, I pee enough. Yeah. You know, but that was one of the things we always I I collapsed on an airplane coming from um uh Cancun. I was down there, I wouldn't drink any water. Yeah, I wouldn't even drink the bottled water. I said, out or in the back to putting it on a tap. Yeah, you know, so yeah, that was that was we call it my fake heart attack. Yeah. I collapsed on an airplane, and thank God we were in separate seats, and uh right before we got on the plane, I walked over and said, Are there any first class seats open? I'd like to bump my wife and I up. And they said, We have to save my life. Um, she was there next to me. Oh, that's it. Otherwise, they would have looked at me and thought some old man just collapsed because he partied too hard or whatever. And the issue was dehydrate. I mean, we didn't know when I get to the uh hospital, they they reroute the plane, I wind up in New Orleans. Very funny story. Um they pump me full of electrolytes or whatever. So next day I'm feeling pretty pretty good. I'm in the heart ward. A woman walks in, lab coat, sticks her thumb in my neck, and says, You need a pacemaker. And I go, You can tell that by sticking your thumb in my neck. And she goes, It's called the carotid artery test. Your heart starts up slow, which means you need something to regulate your heartbeat. And I go, I'll tell you what, man, why don't you give my wife and I a second? Yeah. And I said, Go check and see if she's even a doctor. She could have escaped from the cycle. Exactly. I've seen it in movies, you know, where's Edna? Huh? She's back in the hot heart. She's sticking thumbs and telling people to eat basement. I'm not kidding. That's hilarious. So, anyway, um, she doesn't even clear me to fly. I had a drive back from New Orleans with my wife. She said, she told Tammy, your husband could drop that any second.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

See, that is absolutely tragic to me.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

Well, it was and then I I I a friend of mine um uh fortunately had a heart attack outside of church. There was a doctor there. They said, you know, basically, you know, he saved his life. Anyway, I call him, I said, Who's your heart doctor? He had one, I think it was at St. Thomas. So anyway, I make an appointment. Yep. So I do all the tests, I mean, stress test, everything. And at that point, I was in pretty good shape. So I'm I'm up here and I'm walking. Tammy walks in at one point and says, How's my boy doing? She goes, Hello, live us all. Anyway, he looked at me and said, Who told you you needed a pacemaker? And I said, The doctor down at Oshner in New Orleans. And he said, Really? And I go, Yeah, he goes, Wow. Prior to Katrina, Oshner was one of the top five hard hospitals in the world. Wow. He said, I'll bet you they need money. That should frighten everybody. You wonder how many homeless people are walking around with govern you know, the taxpayer-funded pacemakers and stuff. I mean, it really, you think about it. For her to do that, you talk about irresponsible. Um, and there's no other way to explain it than than money. So the experts, and that's again what I'm talking about, sharing getting through the noise on the internet, um, especially when it comes to bodybuilding, um, I got tired of looking for answers. I really did. I mean, because there's such conflict. No, this is the way you you lift your you know your weights or whatever. At 70 years old now, I'm looking for quality of life. For sure. And um and there is a vanity part of it, I'm not gonna lie. I want to look good. I'm in a business that requires vanity. Not saying that slovenly overweight comedians haven't succeeded. Right. Been a number of them, you know, but they're not with us anymore either. Right, you know, right. So anyway, um uh for people who can't afford because the Nordic wave is expensive, yeah, uh the red lights are expensive, the infrareds are expensive. Um there are places you go, you can. Uh again, I I think they're popping up everywhere. Yeah, I uh I went to a place down in Nashville to cold plunge in it uh in contrast, uh, before I bought for myself. I wanted to make sure it was one, it was something I would stick with.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

Um and it was interesting because for the first time I went on the road for two weeks. I did not cold plunge for two weeks, and I thought, gee, am I gonna want to do it when I get home? And God, I felt so good. Yeah. I got out of there. You start to crave it. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's it. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

So and it's like you're craving the feeling you get after, not the suck.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

Well, it's like lifting weights. Yeah, you know, you're gagging while you're going through it. But you you you crave the afterfeel, especially leg day. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I still hate it. I just saw a guy at the gym today. He's doing the curls, he's got he's got guns, and I looked at these sticks sticking out. You want to walk over and go, you might not want to skip leg day anymore, but yeah. But that's Tammy will tell you when I was doing legs in my basement. There was a lot of moaning and groaning downstairs. I I um they're the largest muscles. Yeah. Um what is the best and most effective way to train legs? Is there ever a routine that you could like?

SPEAKER_01 52:25

If I had if I had forward to if I had to narrow it down to one thing that uh anybody across the lifespan should do, it's squat. Um squat is the number one exercise to prevent falls in the elderly. Your ability to lower your center of of mass, your upper body, the ability to uh lower your center of mass and raise your center of mass has a direct correlation to your risk for falls.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

You know, whether it's getting up and down a flight of stairs, which is the number one killer of people uh our age, my age.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

Yeah, and and the average person has three falls before they seek attention.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

My niece just posted on Facebook. She fell three times last week.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

Typically, people fall three times before they seek attention. You know, and in the the the sad part of that is there's a lot of reasons for that. Most falls occur at night.

SPEAKER_04 53:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:19

And uh one of the things that happens with dehydration, but also with medications, is when you sit up at night and you got to go pee, um, is a lot of times people will have what's called orthostatic hypotension. It's where your blood pressure drops. So typically what happens is people sit up in bed, they don't give it a second to adjust. They get up in bed and then they take their first step, and then it hits them and they start getting dizzy, and then that's where they typically fall. So, you know, one of the things I always tell my more mature folks is You're so kind.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

The old diesers. Well, you know, you can tell.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

I mean, I can handle it, man. Yes. When you get up, sit there for a second. Give yourself, you know, a good three to five seconds to allow that adjustment. Because when you sit up, your heart has to respond in like to increase the amount of pressure in order to keep your blood pressure up. So your heart's got to pump a little bit harder to get that blood pressure up. If you in and as we mature, that that response time for the heart is gets a little bit lower. So when you sit up, a lot of times people will be like, oh, I get a little bit dizzy. A lot of times you just give it a you know three to five seconds to adjust before you take that step. The other thing I will tell, you know, for the audience, um, who are having those frequent episodes at night where they have to get up and go to the bathroom, is get rid of the throw rugs. Um, it is the number one thing that people trip on when they're going from the bed to the commode.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

What if you got a dog sleeping in them?

SPEAKER_01 54:56

No, that's a different story. Yeah. Or or cats that come in and like get in your feet as you're trying to get into the kitchen.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

Or leave your gym shoes like right between you and the bath. I tripped on that last night.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

My son does that all the time. All the time. Yeah. So anything that's that's going to be a trip hazard, especially between your bed to the commode. Um, and people don't think about that because you know, typically they do throw rugs on the on the bathroom on the bathroom floor thinking, oh, this'll help me not slip and fall. When actuality, at night, a lot of times people catch their feet on it and it becomes a trip hazard.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

Right. Makes sense. Um I was told um and I did this for a while, till I re you know, I have an electric toothbrush, so this became a problem. But it said to brush your teeth standing on one leg 30 seconds, and then switch to the other leg 30 seconds. So every time I would stumble, when I first started doing it, I was wobbly and I fell. And the electric toothbrush would go out and spray toothpaste all over my wife's mirror. You know, so it's now you've fallen in. She's going, What in the hell are you doing? I go, I'm trying to keep my balance. I did yoga for years. I'm I'm ready to go back um uh to do to doing yoga um because I uh for golf uh for for numerous reasons, uh, but to take care of the skeleton and um the flexibility.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

And the flexibility, you know, especially for um as you move into your 50s, 60s, and 70s, and you're still trying to play golf. Number one, making sure you're hydrated, making sure that you have a good flexibility and mobility routine. So flexibility, your strength, your I'm sorry, your your muscles and your fascia. Mobility is joint mobility. You know, and one of the um I used to work in uh Birmingham, Alabama with a real famous orthopedic surgeon by the name of Dr. James Andrews. And one of the studies that Dr. Andrews did uh was looking at total hip range of motion. So if I if I sit you down and I take your hip into external rotation and internal rotation, I measure both sides. If you have greater than a 10 degree difference between your right side and your left side, you're three times more likely to suffer low back pain. So knowing that, it's one of the things that we look at, you know, for folks who are suffering from low back pain, is we look at your total hip range of motion. And we actually have routines that we put them on that works on hip mobility. And hip mobility is the uh articulation between the femur and the acetabulum versus the musculature that surrounds it. So hip mobility is very different than hamstring flexibility or quadricep flexibility. And getting both of those is super important as we mature. So, like for me, most of my golfers, I'm putting them on a really good hip mobility routine. Yeah, pigeons. Yeah, and I'm putting them on a really good um shoulder uh strengthening program.

SPEAKER_02 58:01

That's funny you say that because I I told you I hired that online golf trainer, and that's uh today it was all lower body um and hip mobility, but yeah, it's the mobility part, it's not just stretching. Yep. I mean you're moving it uh with bands and um and hip strength.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

Yeah. Yeah. Uh we talked about we talked about your hip and in the glutes. You know, um everybody thinks of the glute max, which is the big butt muscle, um, and not glute medius, which is on the outside or on the kind of the lateral side of your hip, um, major stabilizer for your pelvis in one leg.

SPEAKER_02 58:36

Well, that's huge for golf. You gotta maintain your posture. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Do you have a a website or something? I do. I do. Because I I I I am sure this is in an area of of people have opinions, strong opinions. For sure. And they will ch uh maybe want to challenge you or whatever. Challenge him, not me. I'm a I'm a stand-up comic. Um I I don't know what I'm talking about. Um we research and we get who we feel are the best we can get. And I appreciate that. You know, we uh and believe me, I um I want to talk to you before we we leave about um what I can do, certainly for hip mobility and and other things as well. Why do uh here's a good one? Why do people so many people I mean you can't read minds, but why do so many people wait until the health scare to change and how do we interrupt that? How do you how do you really get started? I mean it's and the hormone replacement. Now I can I can speak for my wife and I. Um we we started 15 years ago uh in our 50s. Yeah. And um uh a game changer, uh a life changing. It does. Um but there's a lot of quacks out there. Yeah. Tammy got hooked up to to save money. I don't know why we did that. I I don't know why I agreed to let her do this. We left. I still stayed with the uh with the lady I had been with uh because I felt she was doing a good job and my life was good. Tammy wanted to save some money. She ended up at a place down here and uh she ended up bleeding profusely. Um it ended up they busted the place. There was not one doctor on staff. So please, if you're gonna look into HRT, please do your homework, find a reputable place. For sure. Um Yeah, and don't just because I have friends doing this, they just buy the cream and I go, no, you need a yeah, you need blood tests, you need blood work done, you need for sure. This is a science.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:49

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:50

And it and if you've got if you're a woman and you're walking around with a full beard, probably taking too much testosterone. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

Yeah, and you have an Adam's apple, then yeah, it might be a little bit more bigger. Uh hey, how are you? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I've had a few of those. Sure, you're hornier. Yeah. Exactly. So uh in in and I'll say, you know, um, you know, getting a good reputable provider, super important. Um at the same time, you also want to have someone who's gonna talk to you about the nutrition that you have um because it does have a direct effect.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:26

Yeah, I want to talk a little bit more about that. What uh as far as because I I have a terrible diet. I know I do. I mean, I I don't even question that. Now we do eat at home, especially this summer. My wife gardens, so we have uh fresh vegetables, we have um as much fresh as we can buy. Uh we we bought our own cow, grass-fed, you know, and uh we have that sitting out in the freezer, and uh we're gonna have some of that tonight. Um so I I I probably 80% doing well. Sure. But the crap I eat, I mean, I eat crap. I mean, I do. Um I can feel it. Yeah. I mean, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

Well, and that's the thing, too, is that once you are used to eating better, um, more um on a better scale of of types of nutrition that you're taking in, when you resort back and you start having some of the things that aren't so good for you, you feel it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:16

Well, that's what kills me, because we have chickens. So we have fresh eggs, you know. I mean, and they're so flavorful. And I get on the road and I get these bleached, yeah, they're almost white. Yeah, you know, you're like, I can't eat this. Yeah. But I should be eating protein, eggs, you know, on the road.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

You should be eating protein.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

But uh I I it's so hard. And then you start reading what Kennedy came out with, Bobby Kennedy came out with that 2,000 chemicals are legal in America and only like which is insane.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

I know it is. And there's like eight in Europe. Exactly. There's two thousand exactly here.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Do you know this is the the generation coming up, is the first generation in American history that's uh more unhealthy than the previous generation. And you have to ask your yourself, why is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

You know, when you when you look at the Considering we are the wealthiest, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

We should be able to We're supposed to have the best health care, and yet we start poisoning people at an early age. Um, I really first came upon that when I was when I was doing my doctorate, I did a deep dive uh into ACL injuries. And um, as I was doing that deep dive, I got stuck on another deep dive, which was around hormones uh in young women. Um, and specifically because ACL injuries are more common in female athletes than male athletes, and there's a lot of questions about why that occurs. Part of it is pelvis, part of it is their femurs are different, their angles are different, but part of it also goes to hormones.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

So, what you're saying, women are different than men.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

Absolutely. Oh my god. Yeah, anatomically and so controversial today. Anatomically and physiologically. I know. I know him. Yeah. I mean, and that's that's the reason that a a forensic scientist can look at a body of skeletons and know that's a female, that's a male, because there are anatomical and physiological differences.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:14

Aaron Powell So he's not getting into their pronouns while he's looking at the dead bones.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:17

No, no, definitely not. Definitely not. And and uh one of the things that we're finding is that that females today are menstruating uh at 10 years old.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

My granddaughter, nine. Yes. So so so Oh no, I take that back. She wasn't menstruating. She is at she had had puberty. Yeah she started menstruating at like 11 or 12.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

Yeah. Yeah. So so young females are menstruating at a much younger age. And the problem with that is uh menopause is really ovarian burnout because your ovaries can only produce so many eggs in a lifetime. And when you start younger, um, every uh production of eggs that you do is has a large quantity. As you get older, those quantities get less and less and less. So the earlier you start, the greater quantities that you're building. So if you start it two years earlier, you're knocking off maybe eight to ten years on the back end. So what what's ending up happening is that women are starting to hit menopause at a much earlier rate, much earlier age than it was even 20 years ago. And you have to ask yourself, why is that? And again, it goes right back to what you said. We have so many chemicals in our food. What people don't realize is how much that jacks with all of your hormones. There's a reason that ADHD is higher, there's a reason that cancers are higher, there's a reason that diabetes and all these things are higher.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

Yeah, my wife went through breast cancer twenty twenty six years ago. And she focused on what she needed to focus on. I started focusing on diet.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

Um and it was fascinating. You look at Japan where there was uh virtually zero incidences of cancer in the um sixties. And then there's this spike right after they westernized their diet. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

Yeah, I was actually at a uh a medical conference, uh it's probably been like five or six years ago. I was speaking at a medical conference, and I sat in on another presentation, um, and it was uh two Middle Eastern scientists, and they were talking about diabetes, and they had this graft, and it was just kind of like steady, steady, steady, and then it goes way up. And that's at the point where they started to westernize with restaurants, and they started to bring in some of these more Western, you know, McDonald's and some of these other restaurants and things like that that were jacking up their food system. And you saw a direct correlation to diabetes and things like that. So it's you know, it's it's uh to me, it's one thing that I'm I'm I'm very happy with this current administration and what they're doing from making us healthier because quite honestly, this has been needed for a long time. And as as a therapist and somebody who's been into fitness my whole life, right, I've been preaching this for 20 years.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:17

Well, we saw a Netflix special where they were they were jailing a doctor who wanted to invert the food pyramid in Europe. Said this is wrong. It's insane. They're gonna throw him in jail.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:29

Fast I again, I can't remember the name of the uh I think it was it was on Netflix though, but it was fascinating to see the powerful how powerful the food lobby is. And uh, I know Casey Means or Callie Means, one of the one of them, the brother or the sister, talked about this on a podcast I heard that um when the tobacco companies saw the writing on the wall in the eighties, uh uh with the legal uh side of it, they put all their scientists to work and they bought all the food companies up and they put all their chemists to work on our food system. And um again, you know, you you uh naively think as an American that the people you elect have your best interest in heart, but it doesn't take a deep dive anymore to realize that no, they don't. And it's on you, it's on me, it's on all of us to do our own research and uh and and do what's best for our family. I have this argument with my my youngest son all the time. My grandson he's got issues, so texture means something. And I've tried to explain it to my wife who wants to eat what we put in front of, you know. I said, but you have to understand that to him, maybe a hamburger would be like me eating an earthworm in his mouth. He just so I you have to understand this. Right. Doesn't mean he has to eat Doritos every day. Right um, and that's the issue I have is you know, when he comes to our house, we give him homemade pasta with cream and and he'll eat that, right, you know, and um and carbonero. He loves carbonero uh with the prosciutto and whatever. But that's you know, he's one day a month he's with us, you know, the rest of the time he's eating chicken fries and you know, all this processed stuff. Yeah, he's overweight, he's nine, he's and he's just gonna balloon up. And I try and try and try. Um to the parent who has the kid. Could you at least you're a doctor, yeah. I'm I'm a comic, so why would you listen to me? They will eat. They will eat. Just put good stuff in front of them and then take it away. Yeah. At some point they'll eat.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:41

Yeah. Well, and in in uh they're not gonna starve themselves to death.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:45

Yeah, you know, and uh uh obviously today ADHD is kind of a it's kind of common.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:51

Um where you know it's overdiagnosed overdiagnosed. Yeah, absolutely. I got a five-year-old who's a little distracted. Well, he's five. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, he's born ADD. And he's a boy. And he's a boy, and he's a boy.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:03

You know, um, there are, you know, uh my son uh was had some ADHD and his big thing was red dye. We didn't know that at the time. Right. Um, but as soon as he had something that had red dye in it, it was like he had five cappuccinos. Like he was off the chart. And uh simply identifying that one thing and what it did to him and eliminating that from his diet was tremendous. We actually, um, I should say my wife, who is really good at this, um, was able to identify all of the foods which would cre increase the symptoms, and we filtered those out and then just kept him on a diet. We were able to get him off all medications, and he's able to function like a normal, healthy individual.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:53

And it's it's a mate. That was like one of the key things in my my lifespan that really taught me holy cow, you know, the only it it's at that point that I realized the only thing that the food system is feeding is the pharmaceutical industry.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:08

Absolutely. Uh my mom, um diabetes two, um, she started walking and doing Atkins, just eating protein. Six months, she lost 35 pounds. Doctor told her you can get off insulin. My mother freaked out, stopped walking, stopped eating right.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:30

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

She she the thought of living without that thing. Yeah, you know. My dad died with a duffel bag of pills. He was hooked to Vic on Vikodin for the last decade of his life. He didn't care. I mean, I I brought it up to him. I said, You can't be doing that. He goes, I don't hurt, you know. I said, It's a lie. Your body's lying to you. You're you're you're inflamed, you're hurt, you know, you're injured. Um yeah. So I think our generation of boomers are are at least waking up, we woke up to the fact. Um, and I'm hoping Carolyn's generation, the millennials, will will pick it up and push this with our elected officials. And the only way to do it is make them get unelected. I mean, that's it. That's the only the only power we have as voters is to vote these people out that have um sold us out to the pharmaceutical. And it's difficult because of the money.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:23

Um, they'll look at Bobby Kennedy. I thought he was a nut job until I read his book about Fauci.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

And I thought, holy cow. It's I've I saw it firsthand with Glenn Beck when he came out against the status quo. They circled the wagons, they made him out to be a nut job, and that's all they gotta do is they just get enough people to think you're a nut job. They don't have to do any homework because the minute you open your mouth, they uh they discount what you have to say.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:51

Well, look at Joe Rogan. And Rogan. Yeah. You know, and and and yesterday he was at the White House getting Ibogaine approved with with the president.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:00

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:00

Yes. And and and he was he and Marcus Luttrell were some of the main drivers of getting that to happen. Now what is that? Ibogaine, it's it is uh uh a psychedelic um that's used a lot for micro dosing, right? Yeah, for PTSD. Um it's used uh there's a really good uh docuseries on Netflix um called In Waves and War. Um and I've actually had uh some of my special forces folks who've gone and again with the doctor. Yeah, you know, yes, that should be a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:34

I was taking water you know, made by some guy down the street in his basement.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:39

Yeah, it's just not when I was doing psychedelics, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:42

You know, it was a picture of Mickey Mouse.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:46

You paint the guy on the corner.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:47

Yeah, so please, yeah, don't again, this DIY society. Yeah, when I could dose psychedelics.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:54

Yeah, myself.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:55

But there's my dad threw me against the wall once. I have PTSD.

unknown 1:13:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

There's there is uh there's a lot of really good research coming out about the use of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:05

You know, yeah, Sean Ryan covered a bunch of his. Yes, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:09

So Sean Ryan's covered it, you know, they they've gotten it approved. Um, there was an executive order to uh to approve that. I think that, you know, as um you know, we get this whole push for health, you know, a lot of these things that we've talked about and that we've known um and that were considered conspiracy theories are really I think it's opening up a lot of people's eyes. My hope Well, I think COVID did that. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:34

I think they realized that the the people we have in place to protect us are not really there to protect us. And uh it's certainly now with with the information coming out about the vaccine.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:45

Well, you know, in in in you know, uh there was uh what people don't realize there was a lot of research that was suppressed during that time. Oh yeah. You know, um there's been a lot of research on increased um uh percentage of clots after surgery uh in vaccinated individuals. Um it's one of the things I talk about in my ECL courses.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:06

I think one of the things that saved us, we we had the shot, and uh was we take a small aspirin every day, and we may have saved our lives. Um yeah, I remember making a joke on stage and getting lambasted for it was um you know I've had a lot of vaccines, but nobody ever told me to sit in the parting lot next to an ambulance for 10 minutes after I took one. Exactly. Yeah, call it what you want, it was not a vaccine, you know. Yeah, but you saw the machine during uh because anybody that came out, um, and I highly recommend Bobby Kennedy's book on Fauci. Yeah, because I lived through the AIDS era. I remember that. Yeah, I remember the scare. I was a single man when that was coming out, and I was sitting in a bar. Again, this is anecdotal. So again, you know, do your own research and your own homework. But I was sitting at a bar in Atlanta and I was drinking, you know, next to a guy. We started talking. He worked for the CDC at the time. And I said, What's going on with this AIDS thing? And he said, Well, if I told if if they came out and told you the truth, there's not been one case of AIDS um with a heterosexual monogamous couple. The truth was high risk, um a homosexual lifestyle, um and you know, basically back alley sex. It doesn't you know but anyway, if they came out with that, the funding would dry up. Sure. So that planted a seed in my head was they do manipulate information. For sure. They they they not necessarily manipulate the information, they just don't tell you the whole story. Right. Because America would react in a way to whatever information. So they they that's going back to the early 80s. Um and then you read Kennedy's book on Fauci, Fauci with the with the HIV and what he did to uh one of the leading immunologists in the world by shutting them down, the exact same thing he did during COVID. He picked his favorites where the funding went, and if you went against that, if you came out with any information against that, and again, I know we're getting into the weeds here, and um you know you're gonna email Carolyn. Uh don't email me. I I probably won't read it. But um but I try, you know, I I try to I try not to go down these rabbit holes because it it takes so much time and it's exhausting, and people believe right it was interesting. We were talking about we just talked to a guest last week on abortion. It's a great book, they lied to us, yeah, you know, and uh Victoria Robinson, you can get the podcast. And the publisher basically said we don't publish books on abortion because everybody has their mind made up. Interesting. I mean, how sad is that? Yeah that you can go through life and and you know I came to Christ, my mind was made up, yeah. But it got changed through information and of ultimately the Holy Spirit. But the the information is available. And again, there's so much noise on the internet. I highly recommend uh again, your your website. Do you have a YouTube channel? the athlete lab.org.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

Theathletelab.org. Uh I do have a YouTube channel. It's at Trent Nessler. Um, I also put a lot of stuff out on uh Instagram. It's BJJ P T underscore A C L guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:32

Oh my God, you got to shorten that up, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:34

I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:35

The Ness.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:36

That's it. There we go. There it is. There it is. Or Dr. Ness. Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 1:18:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:46

So it's That's a huge man. Get your pen out. Yeah. Let's go through it again. You know, let's repeat it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:54

So it's uh the AthleteLab.org.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:56

That one's easy to remember. The Athlete Lab. Um and But you went into the weeds with the Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:00

Yeah, the Instagram is BJJP. I thought you had a young kid. I do. I do.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:05

Didn't he advise you?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:06

I mean, no, he's he's not much of a uh social media. Thank God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

They're probably lucky for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:13

Yes, I think so. Yeah, but it's it's uh, you know, I do put a lot of educational content out there. Um most of it is around injury prevention, health, wellness. Um I'm actually doing a webinar tomorrow on fitness over 50. Um, you know, I'm I Oh we're oh well this won't be out by tomorrow. Yeah, but I I really do archive. Yeah, yeah. Yes, uh the fitness doctor. Um but we do a lot of stuff. I try to do a lot of stuff to educate people. I'm I'm real big on just education. Um certainly with the peptides and empowering yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:47

Yeah, it's just with the peptides today was uh eye-opening. Yeah. Again, I thought it was just bubs and a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

No, it is a game changer.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:55

Um it is an injection. You know, um you have to be willing to to accept that. Um, but it is a game changer. I mean it's how often do you have to do it? It's daily. Daily? It's daily. It's daily for like twelve weeks.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:09

Holy crazy. And then you're done for life?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:11

Or you know, it's it it depends.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:13

Is it like the NAD, you load?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:15

Uh yeah, so so uh it depends. Like if I have somebody who's coming off an injury, they're doing the Wolverine pack, the BPC 157 and TB500. So they're doing that for 12 weeks. When they come off of that, a lot of times I will transition them to more of a growth package, which is the CJC1295 plus hippamorlin.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:33

So do you need a doctor to do this? Or do you recommend a doctor?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:37

So I would recommend a doctor. Uh we do um recommend peptides to our to our clients. Um I actually sell peptides. We're actually a part of a national research project. Um look.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:48

For a 70-year-old, is that recommended?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

Um You know, again, I would I would definitely talk to your physician about that first. Um, talking to you, right? And and I would look at I would look at a functional med doc who really understands all of your We joined function health.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:04

Yeah. Um Mark Hyman.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:07

Yeah. Yeah, I've got that. Matter of fact, I've got to get ret uh re another lab, a bunch of labs.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:13

Yeah, you know, and and two is is to have some conversations with your doctor about peptides. You know, I talked to a lot of our orthopedic surgeons, um, and they they are not as versed on the peptides. Um, but I also have other clinicians from around the U.S. who refer to me because they know that we're using it so heavily.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:32

Aaron Powell Well, let me ask you this then, because I'm such a skeptic. Um, an orthopedic surgeon, if this prevents injuries, then you're really kind of working against the Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:42

But you know, the way the way the way I like I watch injury. Right. You know, I don't know. Well, and the way I talk to my orthos about it is it's gonna make your outcomes better. You know, your ACLs are gonna get better faster, and they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna their re injury rates are gonna be less.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:57

Yeah, I had an ortho come up to me after a show. I was I was talking about getting my first hip replaced, and he got in my face and said, if you're not gonna rehab this thing, don't get it done. He goes, I'm sick and tired of patients of mine not rehabbing after surgery and coming to me and going, You screwed my hip up. Right. So I said, What's the best thing I can do? And that's what he told me, just do body squats. He said, That's if you do nothing else, just 15 times just a squat. Get your get your this area of your body functioning and moving, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:31

Well, and and and what I will tell you is um if you can get with a good therapist who really looks at your movement and how you move, um, it will make a big difference in your life. Because um, you know, so my my my doctorate's in biomechanics, human movement. So looking at how people move. And to me, that has a direct correlation to increased risk for total joints, but also what does it do for uh performance enhancement? And so having someone that can really look and dissect how you're moving, it tells you everything you need to know.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:08

Wow, I'm gonna come see you.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:10

I would love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:11

Yeah, I'm gonna uh book an appointment.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:13

Um we could do a cold plunge.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:15

We do a cold plunge, yeah. Is that cool with two men and a plunge, man?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:19

Hey, you never know.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:21

I know. As long as you don't pee. I just don't want to ever be perceived as gay. It's a joke. Email him. Yeah. Oh, that would be cool. I I I'm telling you, man, I um uh I'm gonna go home from here and and and and dunk. I I again I'm just getting back into the gym, and it's it's so disheartening because I knew where I was. Sure. And then to start now, there was a routine that I used to my goal was to finish in 41 minutes like they do. It's a very high intensity uh it's called a total body, but yeah, you're doing um you know, arms, chest, leg, uh core, arm, chest, leg core, arm chest, core core, uh for 41 minutes. And I've never the best I was ever able to do was 48 minutes. I always have to pause it, get my breath, my heart rate get up too high. Yesterday I I only finished two rounds out of four, barely. Barely finished two rounds. Today I finished the last two rounds on my way down here, and I have to tell myself, I'll get there, I'll get there. And again, again, you'll get there. You'll get there, but you have to start. And I don't care if getting up and walking to the mailbox and back is all you do. Get up and walk to the mailbox and back. And the next day go another 15 yards, the next day go another 30 yards, the next day go another whatever. Um get but get moving. And I trust me, your brain will crave it. You you will begin to crave your body wants to. Your body wants to be well. And um, this is a this is I hope I feel like we were scattered all over because I led the conversation. Um, I'm sure if if Doc led it, it would have been a little more focused. But um go back, rewind this thing, go back and get what you what take what you need, leave the rest. But uh seek professional um help. But uh you you don't have to be in the house, you don't have to be sitting on the couch, you don't have to be the way you are. You're you're physically, you can get better. Uh your body will heal, uh, but you have to start. And um and please look at your diets and the food, and the if it's got more than a paragraph, don't eat it if you if you can avoid it. And this is coming from, you know, talk about someone preaching to the choir. I'm preaching to myself. Um I am uh I I on the road, it's difficult. I get lazy and I um and I shove things down my throat that I know are not good for me. Uh we can do better. We can do better. We can do better with people we elect. Please pay attention to the people you elect and vote for. Um and are they in the pockets of people uh who want to poison you or are um who don't really care about you? You know, I I Silicon Valley is another one. They send their kids with pencil and paper, they don't even let them on their devices. So um only, only follow me on social media. Um, all those other people don't follow them. Just follow me. I'm good for you. There you go. This is all cults. Thank you, Dr. Nets. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for coming up. I know it's a little hot in here. Uh we lost the light. Oh, it's back on. So yeah, at some point uh the lights went out. Uh thank you so much for if you stuck through this, man. God bless you. You you have some patience, and uh you're obviously not ADD. Uh, subscribe, hit the button. Um, come on out. I'm on the road all over the place. Um 110 different cities this year uh in my first final farewell tour. And please, it's the first final one. Uh don't come to me and say you're quitting. No, I'm not quitting. I'm having too much fun. You guys are the best. Uh, and I do. I I've heard entertainers say this all the time. I do love you guys. Uh, I get the chance to shake your hands and meet you while I'm out on the road. And uh I just I I have the best fans in the world, man. And uh thank you. Um and God bless you. God bless. Thank you.